Hoops Hype’s Michael Scotto and composer of jazz beats Tony Jones share the latest on trade talks between Jazz and Knicks Donovan Mitchell. Plus the chance that Patrick Beverly, Boyan Bogdanovich, Jordan Clarkson, Mike Conley, Malik Beasley and more traded, and more in the latest episode of the HoopsHype podcast.
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2:40 What’s the news about the trade talks between the Knicks and the Jazz for Donovan Mitchell?
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Overdone: Some wondered if the Knicks could reschedule a contract like Evan Fournier in potential Donovan Mitchell shopping package because Danny Ainge traded for him to the Boston Celtics, but I would like to remind everyone that it was a completely different situation with Utah going into a recovery situation and less willing to take long-term paychecks for guys like Fournier and Julius Randle. Instead I see someone like Derrick Rosewho should $14.5 million this season and has a team option for next season that is more attractive to Utah. The Knicks would also be willing to trade Cam reddish. Then, on the Utah side, you have a trio of young Knicks players who can appeal. Obi Toppin, Immanuel Quickly as well as Quentin Grimes.
Jones: I don’t think the two sides are close. I don’t think they were close. We’ll see what happens when the training camp urgency kicks in. The Jazz want what they want, which is a choice from this deal, and they need young guys on short or rookie contracts. By definition, they are Toppin, Grimes and Quickly. They are good young players and the Knicks want to protect these guys. The Knicks don’t necessarily want to use their young guys. They want to try and offload some unwanted contracts. Knicks don’t want to unload Derrick Rose. He has been a favorite for a long time. Tom Thibodeau. I know the Knicks want him and Grimes. These guys are the priority.
Overdone: Rose’s contract in terms of salary makes sense if Utah doesn’t want to fight Fournier and Randle. There has to be a little tug of war and compromise. From the Knicks’ point of view, if they’re going to move Toppin, Quickley, or Grimes, they rate Toppin at least as a first-round pick, Quickley is also somewhere in that range, and they’ll make the argument that Grimes is too much. This would reduce the compensation for the draft pick that Utah would theoretically get back. I’m not sure if Yuta has an appetite for Cam reddish.
Jones: I don’t think the Jazz have any interest in Randle. I’m not sure there’s a big appetite for Reddish. They put a price on Mitchell, and from their point of view, for now, you’re worth the price, and they’ll trade him, or they won’t, and they’ll go to training camp with him. They don’t feel like they have to trade Mitchell or have to. They do not consider it necessary to trade it. They think they have several paths to take to get back to being the team they were a couple of years ago. By the end of next season, they already have three first round picks. If they keep all their veterans, they’ll have $36-40 million as a cap. Although some may wonder which free agent will go to Utah? The place in the cap does not depend on which of the free agents will go to Utah. The space under the cover will be used for maneuvering in the trading market. They could potentially make a deal like the one Portland did for Straw Grant.
They look at it like they have three years left on Mitchell’s contract, so if they’re going to trade him, it’s only because someone met their price. I don’t see a Jazz price drop.
Overdone: Most people in the league got the feeling that Utah wanted more from Mitchell than they got for him. Rudy Gobert. You are talking about five picks in the first round, maybe even six, depending on the defense and what kind of young players will be offered. This is a healthy catch.
11:45 When can we see a potential trade between the Jazz and Knicks for Donovan Mitchell?
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Jones: The feeling I’m getting right now is that it probably won’t happen on an imminent level. The two sides are not close. I think that if this happens, then closer to the training camp or the beginning of the season. If that doesn’t happen, we’ll see what happens closer to the February deadline. This is one of the reasons why the Jazz didn’t make many changes to their lineup. Mitchell is a domino that needs to be taken care of one way or another. If the Jazz trade Mitchell, then it makes sense to get younger. Then I expect more moves on top of that.
14:30 Is there a mystery team that could offer Donovan Mitchell a deal?
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Overdone: I don’t see Miami having the assets to do this without breaking up with Bam Adebayothat I did not understand what they want to do.
Jones: I don’t see it because I don’t think there is another team that has the same pick package as the Knicks. I know people will say, “What about Oklahoma City?” OKC does not trade Donovan Mitchell, so there really isn’t a single team that has the package that the Knicks have… And no, Miami isn’t close. They have no assets.
4:50 pm The Salt Lake Tribune reports that there is an “overwhelming feeling” that Donovan Mitchell will be leaving the Jazz in 2025.
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Overdone: There have always been speculative rumors about Donovan Mitchell leaving Utah eventually is like a question of when, not if for years. Theoretically, Mitchell could have entered a bigger market and possibly made more sponsorship money, but people didn’t know about him after he became a playoff star over the past few years in Utah and raised his game. He’s got a shoe deal. I don’t know how much this aspect will play a role.
Jones: It’s one of those things that has been talked about, seemingly always, and almost since he signed his second contract. The option with a five-year-old player was surprising. Quite frankly, this is something Jazz and fans have been dealing with for years. If Mitchell wants to leave, Utah still doesn’t have to sell him right now. He has a three year contract. Next summer, with two years left, that’s probably the best time the Jazz can trade it for 75 cents on the dollar.
Overdone: Utah has more leverage if they move Mitchell now. Can they try to compete with him? Of course. But we saw what the team looked like with him and Rudy Gobert, who was a regular Defensive Player of the Year and an All-Star. The deal they made didn’t bring in the players who are going to help them. Gobert was the best player in the trade. In terms of talent, while they have added depth on paper, they have now taken a step back in terms of competition. If I’m from Utah and I see writing on the wall here, I’m really trying to maximize it. Ainge did it in Boston before when they drafted Jason Tatum as well as Jaylen Brown.
21:35 Trade market for other jazz artists
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Overdone: Utah has a major security hiccup that needs to be addressed. Donovan Mitchell, Mike Conley, Malik Beasley (team option next season), Jordan Clarkson (player option next year), Patrick Beverly, Nikeil Alexander-Walker, Jared Butleras well as Leandro Bolmaro too much. It must be broken.
Rudy Gay is a trade candidate with Utah as he is older and not in line with the Jazz’s long-term recovery plan, but I’m not sure there is a solid market for him at this later stage of his career.
Contracts with expiring dates Boyan Bogdanovich as well as Patrick Beverly Sources told HoopsHype. Jarred Vanderbilt I was also told that he is a good young player that the teams like, but Utah doesn’t have an urgent desire to move him as he could fit their recovery schedule if Mitchell moves.
Jones: With or without Donovan Mitchell, some of these veterans will be in the lineup at the start of the season. They can’t move all these guys. Which of the guys Utah can transport tomorrow (theoretically)? I think Utah can move Bogdanovich, Vanderbilt and Beverley. They can move them quite easily. I don’t know what market Conley or Clarkson or Beasley has.
26:20 Will Walker Kessler be Utah’s starting center?
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Jones: It’s a tricky question because most of the cast is tied to Donovan Mitchell. If they don’t sell Mitchell, I see them go into the market and sign a center for themselves. If they trade Mitchell they will obviously be young and that will pave the way for Kessler. However, I’m not sure if he will be a starter because I think the Jazz want to find out once and for all if Udoka Azubuike can play.
My sources tell me that Azubuike worked very hard with the coaches all summer and he was in Salt Lake City all summer. He took many steps. However, Jazz loved Kessler and sought him out at Rudy Gobert trade. He’s the second-best rim guard in this draft after Chet Holmgren. Yuta believes he has some advantages both as an offensive player and as a vertical spacer.
29:40 What to expect from Will Hardy and other coaching additions?
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Jones: I think the front of the bench will be taken care of Alex Jensen, Lamar Skeeter as well as Brian Bailey. My sources told me earlier this week that they just hired Sean Sheldon from San Antonio, who was the video coordinator with Will Hardy in San Antonio. I expect a lot of energy from Hardy. Everyone I’ve talked to really thinks he…